Category: Carlisle/Wortman

Introduction:

Links to the video recording and the council packet are at the bottom of this post. Please note any errors or omissions in the comments. Anything noted in brackets was inserted by Clarkston Sunshine.

Agenda Item #1, Call to Order (video time mark 0:00:00):

Sue Wylie said ladies and gentlemen, it’s 7 o’clock, so I’m going to call the meeting to order.

Agenda Item #2, Pledge of Allegiance (video time mark 0:00:04):

Wylie said if everybody would please rise, we’ll say the Pledge of Allegiance.

(Pledge said.)

Wylie said thank you.

Agenda Item #3, Roll Call (video time mark 0:00:27):

Wylie said Item #3 on our agenda is a roll call. (To Angela Guillen, city clerk), Wylie said would you take the roll call, please?

Sue Wylie, Laura Rodgers, Al Avery, Gary Casey, Amanda Forte, Erica Jones, and Ted Quisenberry were present.

Wylie said thank you. So, we’re all present.

Agenda Item #4, Approval of Agenda – Motion (video time mark 0:00:42):

Wylie said Item #4 is approval of the agenda. I’ll need a motion to approve the agenda and then a second.

Motion by Rodgers; second Quisenberry.

Wylie said any discussion or comments from council members?

No comments.

Wylie said from the public?

Wylie said hearing none, I’m sorry. Yes, ma’am? An unidentified woman (later identified as Kimberly Chen) said yeah. I wrote mine down just to keep it to the three minutes. Wylie said all we’re doing right now is approving the agenda. Chen said oh, OK. Wylie said if you’ve got public comments, it’s next. I’ll get you next. Chen said OK.

Motion to approve agenda passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said the agenda is approved.

Agenda Item #5, Public Comments (video time mark 0:01:22):

[Though public comments can sometimes irritate the city council, there is value to both the council and the public in hearing them. While they can’t eliminate public comments entirely without violating the Open Meetings Act, your city council has occasionally decided not to acknowledge public comments during a city council meeting unless the person submitting the comments also appears at the meeting (in-person or electronically) to personally read them. In the past, members of the public have been cut off for exceeding the city council’s arbitrary three-minute time limit (it’s arbitrary because no time limits are required by the Open Meetings Act).

If your public comments were submitted to the council but not read, or if you tried to make public comments but your comments were cut short, please email them to clarkstonsunshine@gmail.com and I will include them in my informal meeting summaries either under public comments or under the specific agenda item that you want to speak to.]

Wylie said now public comments.

(Wylie read the rules for public comments.)

Wylie said would anybody like to make a public comment?

Wylie recognized Chen for a comment. Come on up. Chen said I’m trying to approach the podium. Wylie said it makes it a little easier for everybody to see and hear you. Chen said up here? Wylie said if you don’t mind. Chen said yeah. No, that’s fine. Wylie said thank you. Wylie said that’s great. Thank you.

Kimberly Chen:

OK, so yes, so I did write them down just to stick to the three minutes. My name is Kimberly Chen. I grew up in Clarkston, went to college, moved away, moved back to raise my family here. I substitute teach in the district and have been a homeowner for ten years. So, thank you for providing the opportunity and time for us to share our thoughts with the council.

I’m here tonight to offer another perspective from what I saw in the video of, I believe, the last meeting and to encourage the council to consider thoughtful rules and clear signage rather than overly restrictive regulations when it comes to the e-bikes. I understand and support the desire for safe sidewalks, streets, and public spaces. I own an e-bike myself. And for me, it’s a form of recreation and a way to enjoy our community.

For my parents, who are senior citizens, it’s a healthy way for them to stay active and to be able to explore farther than a pedal bike would allow them to do. For other folks, they’re simply more practical and affordable transportation than a car. People can remain gainfully employed. And some students use them to get to school when their parents can’t take them and they’re not old enough to drive.

For my oldest son and several kids his age, e-bikes are also a hobby and a source of growing independence in a safe community. My son researched bikes for months before purchasing one. He presented my husband and I, his dad, with a safety contract to show that he understood the responsibility, and he saved a significant amount of his own money to put toward the bike and reach that goal. He and several others his age are choosing to be outside socializing, supporting local businesses, and enjoying their town, just like I did when I was a kid. I hope as his parent and as a substitute teacher to many of the adolescents here in Clarkston that the safety regulations don’t prohibit them from riding responsibly around town.

My larger concern is that young people are steadily losing places where they feel welcome to simply be kids. Fishing spots disappear. There’s signage up in places where we used to be able to go and fish, like “No Trespassing,” “Private.” Some of them became subdivisions. You practically need an e-bike to get to Independence Oaks to fish. Woods and open spaces have become developments. We all know about Meijer and the housing development. The area behind the library where kids built a fort is deemed vandalism on Facebook. But nonetheless, police went out there and asked them to dismantle the fort, which is literally two by fours kind of teepeed up in a tarp over it, and to put in a hole, given a week to do so, and in three days they brought equipment in to handle that problem that the kids could have probably done themselves.

So, I feel like areas where the middle school and junior high aged kids can play are disappearing, and what’s left is becoming more and more restricted. And at the same time, we frequently hear concerns about teenagers spending too much time inside and on their phones. So, I think it’s important to ask, where do we expect these kids to go? By and large, those who ride e-bikes, not just the teenagers, but everyone from young adults to senior citizens, use common sense and safety. Living in a place where people can bike to town or cross town to one another builds confidence, independence, and community connection. I hope the council will consider this as you craft new policies and safety rules. Thank you for your time.

Wylie said thank you very much. I think, is the planning commission going to – we’ve got a commission called the planning commission that’s going to look at how to handle the e-bike issue. Chen said OK. Wylie said but thank you. If you want to come to the planning commission later when they’re considering it or when council considers it further, you’re always welcome to do that. Chen said thank you. Wylie said thank you.

Jones said I would like to piggyback on her comment just to say I actually had a substitute job the next day after the last council meeting and there was a student talking to his teacher about it. And I was like, oh no, no, no. I said, we’re not banning. I said, we’re talking. I said, we have to talk about it. So it – Wylie said it was her son. Jones said yeah, I said, so there was a kid in elementary school that was, that was worried about, about the e-bikes and had heard about it. So, I, yeah, I told him, I said, I said, no one’s banning anything. We’re talking about it. I was like, but now that I’ve heard it from you, I will make sure that I take it back and let them know. So yeah, I mean, they really are concerned about it. Wylie said OK, thank you.

Wylie recognized Forte for a comment.

Forte said so typically when the kids use the e-bikes, do they ride on the sidewalk or the roads? What’s their experience like? Chen said well, they ride where they can ride most safely. So, like sometimes that is a sidewalk and when there’s people walking, you know, obviously they go around just like a biker would do. Forte said yeah, yeah. Chen said like a regular bike. Where there’s no sidewalk, then yeah, they’re on like residential roads and yeah. I would say most of the kids that I have seen and the parents that, you know, I know whose children have these, that’s what they’re kind of instructing them to do. Forte said OK. Thank you. Wylie said thank you.

Wylie said anybody else with public comments?

Wylie recognized Chet Pardee for a comment.

Chet Pardee:

Pardee provided his name and address.

Good evening. The current broken water main issue in Auburn Hills makes me ask again, has the city prepared for the $1 million charge for the Oakland-Macomb sewer repair for our sewer. I had to leave last week’s finance committee meeting for another commitment after an hour and a half. I will comment on what I observed to that point. No full budget has been developed. Only the 100’s account would show a $50,000 deficit. No dollar amount was discussed for the impact of the 3% proposed salary increase for all employees. The finance committee has never gotten this close to the public hearing without having seen a proposed budget. A list of 15 items to increase city revenue was discussed. My suggestion of a vendor fee for the Art in the Park vendors didn’t make the list. I see no finance committee meeting on the city calendar. It will be an interesting public hearing.

The current budget has had, has, $330,000 in the fund balance. That was 32% of the requirement. The requirement is really 16.7%. Greg [Coté, city treasurer] said in the finance committee meeting that the fund balance was currently $311.

So, I worked some proportions and said that if in fact the fund balance for next year, next budget year, was funded to the minimum, it would provide about $165,000 and whatever is in the parking fund for street repairs. I have said in the past, I see the cost to repair both Church Street and West Miller, including manhole rings. The cost situation and the revenue situation does not look good.

No one has confirmed what is required to be on the November ballot.

Wylie said thank you. Anybody else like to make public comments?

No comments.

Agenda Item #6 – FYI: (video time mark 0:10:14):

Item #6a – May 26^th Public Hearing Notice for the 26/27 FY Budget Proposal

• • Public Hearing Notice, 2026-2027 Fiscal Year Budget (page 3/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said Item #6 on our agenda is FYI. That is the May 26 public hearing. And that’s notice, we’ve got the notice for the ‘26-‘27 fiscal year budget proposal.

(Wylie read the public hearing notice.)

Wylie said anybody have anything else for FYI?

No comments.

Agenda Item #7 – City Manager’s Report (video time mark 0:12:26):

• • May 11, 2026 City Manager Report (page 4/48 of the council packet (page 4/48 of the council packet)

• • 2026 Governor’s Awards for Historic Preservation (page 5/48 of the council packet)

• • Photograph (page 10/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said Item #7 is the city manager’s report, which is in the packet. (To Jonathan Smith, city manager), Wylie said did you want to go over anything or highlight anything?

Smith said yes, I’d like to, first of all, highlight, and I can’t say enough about this first one, is the award given to Nancy Moon for her work on the historic district survey, re-survey of the district, and all her paperwork and documentation she worked so hard on, along with the rest of the team, but Moon was the lead. So, the State Historic Preservation Office chose to give Moon, and five other communities, the governor’s award. So, Moon could not attend, unfortunately, on May 1st, so I attended on her behalf, to accept the award from Governor Whitmer. So I went, and Julie Meredith from the library joined me, and we accepted that award on behalf of Moon. The award, the poster is there on the table, the front table, and then this was the brochure that was handed out in the ceremony. It’s also included in the packet. It was a very special event, I was very proud to be there and be part of that. I’m sorry Moon couldn’t go, but it was a very, very nice event hosted by Governor Whitmer.

Smith said secondly, the city’s very old hot patch trailer is, digressing here, is in very bad shape, and needs to be replaced. And so, we really, I think we’re at a crossroads here. We need, either need to spend some money to replace that piece of machinery, or we need to consider the possibility of outsourcing pot hole patching. Not asking for this to be discussed tonight, I’m just letting you know that I’m working on this. I have a quote for a piece of used hot patch trailer, and then I’m also getting quotes for what it would cost to outsource and have somebody else do all of our hot patching. So, I will bring those to the May 26 council meeting for your consideration.

Smith said also, I’m asking for input, I like the idea of putting a dashboard in the city manager’s report going forward. So, it would be some kind of compilation of statistics or information you would like to see on a regular basis. The number of building permits, the number of FOIAs received, the numbers of whatever. I can include all that in a standard template that will be in every city manager’s report, along with other comments, but that would be the thought. So, if there are things that you readily find yourself asking yourself, geez, I wish I knew how many building permits we had, or how many, whatever. Then, that would be a good thing to let me know, and I’ll include it in this proposed dashboard.

Smith said as we already talked about the e-bikes. I am pulling together some ordinances that were put in place in other communities, I’ll be sending those to the planning Commission for their review.

Smith said and then lastly, we talked in the last meeting, I’ll forward you a photograph that we put together, there’s a picture with Governor Whitmer and Julie Meredith. That explains why that woman looked like Julie Meredith in the picture. I thought, oh, that’s interesting, somebody looks like Julie Meredith. I didn’t think it was her. Smith said yeah, yeah.

Smith said but I also, we put in the packet, I know we’re gonna talk with the Chamber today about post decoration, and this was just very much some guesswork on our part of what that might look like. And it was asked, what would the post look like with the flags, the banners, and some kind of decoration at the base of the post? So, we enlisted artificial intelligence and we put together this mock-up of an existing photograph just to show you what that might look like. So, flags angling out over the roadway, I don’t know whether they’d be up all year or just for the parade, certainly. We see it appropriate for that, but they could stay up all year. The 250 banners, we’re not sure. I know Cara [Catallo] and her team and Clarkston Main Street are working on some designs for those. So, this is just a mock-up. And then some, again, just some kind of ribbon at the base. I’m not sure what the Chamber’s gonna be presenting today, but just some kind of ribbon at the base. So that shows you kind of how busy they might get. I know we talked about, we were having trouble visualizing what they look, might look like. That was our attempt here to make that somewhat helpful.

(To Smith), Rodgers said is that the size of the banner that you’re, that we’re expecting? The banner, yes, it is. Rodgers said all right, yeah, because that scale is – Smith said approximately, yes.

Smith said the flag, that’s a pretty good-sized flag. We could potentially go, there’s four-by-six and three-by-five. We could, I think this is a four-by-six. We could go down to a slightly smaller flag if that would be desired. Hoping to get some lead from council tonight on the flags in particular, because time is running out. We need to get those ordered pretty quickly if we’re gonna get them in time for the parade.

Casey said would they be on every lamppost? Smith said every, yes, downtown lamppost, yes, every one. Casey said seems a little, that size of a flag seems excessive to me. Smith said OK, yeah.

Jones said and this banner actually would not be, on this lamppost as shown, it would not be this size. Because if you look at where the posts are, this would be smaller. Smith said that’s true. Jones said yeah, this is gonna be more that square size, or the smaller rectangle. This is, this is the larger banner size that would be – Wylie said I see what you’re saying. Jones said yeah, so see, if you actually look down the street at that blue square on the lamppost, that’s the size. So, draw, draw a line underneath the blue and right through the middle of the red and white, and that’s what size that’s gonna be. Wylie said yeah, OK. To me, it just looks festive. You know, it’s a special holiday, and I don’t, I mean, maybe the flag is a tiny bit too big, but I know there was concern last meeting about it all being too much, but I don’t see it as too much. Rodgers said I think the scale of all of it is good together, along with the (unintelligible).

Forte said I just would wanna know how much we’re gonna spend on the flags and like mounting them and everything for one day, you know? Smith said well, I think certainly going forward, we leave the brackets up and they would stay, we would put the flags up for every Memorial Day, Labor Day, 4th of July, and all the major holidays. Forte said OK. Avery said yeah, I would assume that the banners, or at least the 250 banner would stay up through the summer, and that seems probably the flag too. And I like it all. I think it looks good.

Wylie said what else do you need? Anything else from anybody else or any more from us? (Smith shook his head no.) Wylie said OK.

(To Cara Catallo), Wylie said you had one second, I’m sorry, you wanna add something? Oh, just scratching your head. (To Catallo), Wylie said go ahead.

Catallo said just because it’s going over the roadway, I feel like we need not too big of a sign or a flag because trucks could potentially hit it, which doesn’t honor our national flag that well. But also, you know, somebody had brought up to me the question of if it’s draped over M15 like that, if it needs to get approval from the state just because it’s a state highway. But my suggestion would be smaller, and I sort of agree with Forte that, I mean, it’s, yeah, like, I’d be curious how much it costs just because of the constant, like, we don’t have any money mantra.

Wylie said anybody else?

No comments.

Wylie said anybody in the public have anything to add?

No comments.

(To Smith), Wylie said you don’t need anything else from us right now? OK, thank you. Oh, did you have anything?

Wylie said does anybody have any questions or comments about the city manager’s report for Smith?

Pardee said I have a comment. Wylie recognized Pardee for a comment.

Pardee said in the past, you know, to Smith’s point, that he’d like to have a dashboard. In the past, we’ve talked about what should the city manager’s priorities be, and I’ve invited city council to weigh in on that for several years, and I think that Smith and the council and the city would benefit by having priorities, Smith having priorities as the city manager.

Wylie said OK, thank you.

Wylie said one thing, when you were talking about it, I was, one, two simple things, just the number of residents and the number of structures, some of the things that stayed almost the same. Smith said sure. Forte said yeah, and thank you for going to this and representing us. Wylie said yeah. Thank you.

Agenda Item #8 – Oakland County Sheriff’s Report for December (video time mark 0:22:13):

• • Cumulative City of the Village of Clarkston monthly report through April 2026 (page 11/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said OK, Item #8 is Oakland County Sheriff’s Report for April, and I guess we don’t have our new, is Lieutenant Jeff Buchmann, is that his name, our new representative? Who will be here, yeah, eventually. Smith said (unintelligible) is the sergeant; Jeff Buchmann is the lieutenant. Wylie said lieutenant, OK.

Wylie said anybody have questions or comments on the sheriff’s report?

No comments.

Wylie said OK.

Agenda Item #[8] 9 – Consent Agenda (video time mark 0:22:44):

• • 04-13-2026, Final Minutes, Regular City Council Meeting (page 12/48 of the council packet)

• • 04-27-2026, Draft Minutes, Regular City Council Meeting (page 15/48 of the council packet)

• • 05-11-2026, Treasurer’s Report (page 17/48 of the council packet)

• • 05-07-2026, Check Disbursement Report, 04-01-2026 – 04-30-2026 (page 18/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said Item #8, 8, I guess that’s Item #9, is consent agenda. This includes the final minutes of the April 13, 2026, regular meeting; draft minutes of the April 27 regular meeting; and the treasurer’s report for May 11, 2026. And I will need a motion and then a second to accept the consent agenda.

Motion by Rodgers; second Avery.

Wylie said any questions or comments from council members?

No comments.

Wylie said from the public?

No comments.

The motion to accept the consent agenda passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said the consent agenda is approved.

Agenda Item #[9] 10, Unfinished Business (video time mark 0:23:28):

Wylie said Item #9 is unfinished business, and there is none.

Agenda Item #[10] 11, New Business (video time mark 0:23:32):

Item #11a – Motion: Chamber of Commerce Light Post Decoration Proposal for June-July (video time mark 0:23:33):

• • Motion – Chamber of Commerce Light Post Decoration Proposal for June-July (page 24/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said Item #10 [11a] is a motion, Chamber of Commerce, light post decoration proposal for June and July, and I see we have some Chamber of Commerce members here. Who’s, who’s, Evelyn [Emily Osmialowski, Interim Executive Director], are you talking? OK.

Osmialowski said hi, everyone. Wylie said welcome back again. Osmialowski said thanks, thank you, nice to see you all. So, June and July is coming up. Obviously, we have Flag Day, we have Fourth of July, and this year is a big year. So, we brought a few things for you guys to look over to see which one you would, my team’s gonna hold it up, but there was a few different options. So, like Smith showed with the bow, that’s definitely an option. We also have a flower basket here, with like a little American flag, so these were the options that we put together. And then I also, I also used AI, so why not use the tools at our disposal? So, I did put together what it would it look like, either or the bow or the basket. And then I also put together the cornstalk, because our fall idea is similar to what we did last year, but with a smaller sign. So just for you guys to take a look at those, I’ll just – (handing paperwork to Forte). Forte said thank you.

Wylie said what’s the bow made out of? Osmialowski said so, we were trying to find something because we can put a normal bow out there. Our only fear was that with weather, it’s just how crazy the weather has been lately, that especially with the wind, it’s going to ruffle those and make them not look as nice. This one is actually made out of metal. Wylie said wow, that sounds expensive. Osmialowski said so, we did, we found a good deal, I’m a deal shopper, but our idea was given the metal, we would be able to reuse them next year, whatever that might be. But it is also just, it wouldn’t get damaged with the elements.

Wylie said I know last, I’m sorry, I’m talking again, but I know last meeting I said I didn’t like, I thought that was plastic. And I said, last meeting, I don’t like plasticky things, but that looks great. Whatever it’s made out of – Osmialowski said yeah – (continuing), Wylie said it really looks good. Osmialowski said that’s metal. And then these are also real flowers as well, so. OK.

Avery said would it have the signs on them again? Osmialowski said yes, yep. So same size, little, I did put in like a little picture frame. Our idea was that. Wylie said it doesn’t have it on there. Jones said yeah, it does. Wylie said oh, it does, I’m sorry. I’m sorry. Osmialowski said yup. Wylie said I missed it. Osmialowski said just like little, for this one would be little there, but. Jones said I really like the bow. And I like that you can reuse it. That’s awesome. That saves you guys a little bit of money. And it is nice. It’s a good size. Sign works with it. Love it. Wylie said I agree. Rodgers said these pictures, I just need clarification. It has nothing to do with the bow, but are those banners way bigger than what we’re gonna have in these? That looks really good. I really like this. Osmialowski said those are the bigger sized ones. I didn’t do the mock-up of the little sized ones. Rodgers said but we’re getting the little ones. Jones said so, because, OK, so there’s both, help me, there’s both. There’s two different sizes. So, some of these have the small and then the others will have large. So, there will be two different sizes of banners that will be, it just depends on which lamppost they use. Rodgers said oh, okay. Jones said yeah. Rodgers said I didn’t understand that. Osmialowski said my thought process was to show the bigger ones just so that you guys could see. It wouldn’t look too, too crazy with everything out there.

Pardee said can someone describe how many light poles there are that you’re wanting to decorate in what the north and south boundaries are? Osmialowski said so, I believe there’s 35, right? Smith said I thought 34. Around there, yeah. Osmialowski said and so. Pardee said I see them down at 20 North Main. And do you intend on going further than that or if you run out of lampposts? Wylie said there probably aren’t lampposts past there. Jones said no, they’re already, it’s the ones, it’s only where the lampposts are and they’re already sold, yeah. Wylie said OK.

Wylie said anybody else? Let’s do council first. Anybody, council, questions or comments for Osmialowski or?

Casey said I’m in favor of the basket. Wylie said I’m sorry? Casey said the basket. Wylie said I’m sorry, what were you saying about the basket? Casey said in favor of the basket. Wylie said in favor of the basket. OK, I missed that.

Quisenberry said and those signs on it are advertising for one of the sponsors, obviously, that are members of the chamber. Osmialowski said yeah, local businesses, so all around this area. But we have been getting a lot of feedback from the community saying that they like to know what our local businesses are doing. They like to know who they can work with, and this is a way for smaller businesses to be able to advertise at a lower cost than what is normally available to them.

Quisenberry said is there any subsidization by these businesses for the cost of the banner or the sign or flag or anything? Osmialowski said so, they pay a sponsorship for the, let’s see, yeah.

Avery said I guess just a couple of comments. I mean, I like the bow better than the basket and I would encourage the chamber to be maybe more robust in the things that they’re putting on the poles. And I’ll be honest with you, I don’t like that wreath that’s up there. It is small, it’s plastic and it look, we’re better than that as a town, OK? This is a historic town. Let’s do it. If you’re gonna do it, let’s do it good. If you gotta charge your businesses a little bit more, I think they’ll pay for it to get something really that shows off the city a little better.

Jones said I’m sorry, I just like, we have covered that we don’t like the plastic wreaths at every single meeting that we’ve been at and I just, I’m sorry. Like, I just, we get it. We don’t like the plastic wreaths. That’s why we are sitting here tonight approving these options. I’m sorry, I just, it was brought up last week when they weren’t even here and I just feel like it’s super rude. They’ve got a program where they’re trying to promote local businesses. They’re working really hard. They got a tight budget. And like, can we please stop showing up – (interrupting Jones), Avery said well, we didn’t bring it up last meeting. We brought it up the first meeting. Jones said someone brought it up last meeting.

Wylie said all right, so anyway, right now we’re talking about this and I, anybody have anything else to say about it?

Rodgers said I have as question. So can one business, I know it’s a rhetorical question because I already know the answer, but there’s one, there’s a couple businesses that have like, as I was walking home, it was like, oh, oh, oh. So like, there was, they had like four or five. Is there hope that you’re gonna bring in other ones or? Osmialowski said this is the first year that we’re doing all three seasons and this business, that business in particular, they were very excited about it. And they were like, oh my gosh, yes, we wanna participate. Like, so the hope is that we’re gonna build traction. We’re going to get a lot more businesses that are wanting to participate in this. And so down the line, you know, we might, we might have to put a limit on that as of right now, because it was our first year, that was not.

Rodgers said is there anything built in like, so that you guys can see like, is this working or is it not? Osmialowski said a lot of people do. So just this one, for instance, like they have QR codes on there. So, they’re able to see how many people scan their QR codes. And they’ve gotten pretty good traction so far. Other, other people, they can put whatever they want on their little, on their ads. So, we have told them that something like this is a good idea just so that they can see, hey, it’s working for me or it’s not working for me. But that’s kind of how we’re tracking it right now. We’ve also been getting like quite a few calls from people who are like, hey, how can I be a part of that next year? And things along those lines.

Rodgers said so maybe just tagging on to what Avery said, like if hopefully we get enough people that will maybe even contribute more so that it can be like a really beautiful something – Osmialowski yeah, absolutely – (continuing), Rodgers said you know, that is on there. Because yeah, I agree with Avery. I think we’re kind of a cool city. And I want, like those mock-ups look really cool. Wylie said that’s a good idea. Rodgers said they look really pretty. Wylie said it’s unfortunate that Memorial Day is a week and a half away. Osmialowski I know, yeah. Wylie said and we’re (unintelligible). I had to (unintelligible) today and can’t do that.

Wylie said yeah, anybody else in the council have something to add or on this discussion? And I’m gonna, go ahead.

(Wylie recognized Osmialowski for a comment.)

Osmialowski said I do have a question. Wylie said yeah. Osmialowski said do you guys want me to bring in a corn stalk? I can to show you guys, but. Jones said yeah, yeah. Osmialowski said OK. Jones said I think you should. Osmialowski said OK. Avery said well, I mean, it was similar to what you had last year. Osmialowski said yeah, yeah, yeah. It’ll just be a smaller sign, but the ribbons will still be fall festiv-y ribbons.

Wylie recognized Forte for a comment.

Forte said I’m gonna be the unpopular opinion, but I’ve gotten a lot of negative comments on what’s happened so far. I know Jones already touched on this. I don’t really think we should be giving up our light post to any outside source. I would be all for you guys participating in the banner program, and maybe you’re combining that. Jones said and we signed an MOU with them already. Forte said I know, but I’m just saying my opinion. I’m allowed to say my opinion. Jones said I know, I’m just saying, we signed an MOU for the season, so. Forte said yeah, and I’m just sharing my feedback up to this point. Wylie said thank you.

Wylie said before I ask for comments or questions from the public, I do want to read what the motion says. Wylie said I got the wrong glasses on, I remember.

(Wylie read the motion.)

Wylie said so, does anybody in the public want to make a question or comment?

Wylie recognized Catallo for a comment.

Catallo said well, I’m curious now if they’re doing banners, because I was told at the last meeting that they weren’t doing banners, but I can’t see what’s up there. There was one question. Avery and Jones said they just did a mock up. Jones said they just did a mock up. Yeah, they’re not doing banners. But also, I can see and I don’t want to be attacked for this, but I still think that these are municipal lampposts for, technically the community-owned, so I don’t believe that it’s ethical for a member organization to use them as fundraisers. I think that, again, our mantra, I go to most of the finance committee meetings and these meetings and planning commission, and it just is constantly like drilled into us how we need money and we need to raise revenue, so it seems peculiar to me to have a different organization using these spaces to raise money. And I think that there are some legal, like I think that it should be studied, and I think that if we are locked in for this year, it should not be taken for granted if people are interested next year that it’s a done deal, because I just think we have other organizations in the community who might raise money for the city to do this, and also without the advertisements, because I’ve heard negative things about it far more than I wanted to, and I’ve also seen people now taping up little like notices on other ones, and I was also curious how much money these sponsorships cost, because I think I saw that one group has 20 of the lamp posts, and I’m just curious, again, I think this is something that this like should be happening internally, and there are also organizations that would do it without the advertisements on it, because I just think it’s tough to look at, and I think that QR codes are awful in this setting, but that’s just my own personal opinion from previous banners with a QR code. Wylie thanked Catallo.

(To Quisenberry), Wylie said did you want to say something?

Quisenberry said I do, it has to do with the two, and the basket, the basket is live flowers. Do we have a plan for July and August when there’s a drought? I mean, who is going to be watering them so that they don’t look like baskets with dead flowers? Osmialowski absolutely, so these are gonna be up June and July, but we also have our concert in the park, so it was kind of just gonna be, and every time we come for concerts in the park, we water all of the flowers as well, so. Quisenberry said OK.

Wylie said OK, anybody else on council or the public.

(To Catallo), Wylie said you pretty much ran through your time. Catallo said I understand, but I asked a question, I was curious if you could find out how much the sponsorships cost, because it doesn’t seem out of, like, it seems appropriate to know how much. Forte said yeah, I would like to know that as well. Osmialowski said so, they’re $150, and again, that gets you the, so – Wylie said per light post? Osmialowski said yeah. Smith said $150 per light post.

Wylie said OK, we have a motion. Would anybody on council like to make a motion, and you can write this or rewrite this. Right now, it says motion by, to approve, not approve, or approve with changes. So maybe somebody, because they have brought two different, if anybody wants to make a motion to approve, you probably wanna have something in your statement to pick either the basket or the ribbon.

Jones said I would make a motion to approve with the metal ribbon. Wylie said OK, from Jones, she makes a motion to approve the chamber’s light post decoration plans with the, you said ribbon? Jones said the metal ribbon, yes. Wylie said yeah, the metal ribbon. Second Avery.

Wylie said any discussion from council members?

Rodgers said just a quick question. Are there any of the establishments that are located within the village that are part of this? Osmialowski said yep, so Anthem Advisors, Raymond James, we also have the brokerage. Trying to think off the top of my head. Rodgers said I just was wondering if there, because I hadn’t seen any, but that doesn’t mean that that doesn’t exist.

Wylie said questions, anything else from council members?

No comments.

Wylie said questions or comments from the public?

Wylie recognized Pardee for a comment.

Pardee said yes, if in fact it’s approved, then we drive whatever the cost of that metal bow is across 34 lampposts? (Pointing), Jones said so, that’s – (interrupting Jones), Wylie said that’s the chamber’s money. Jone said that’s what the chamber – Wylie said this is their fundraising – Jones said we’re not paying for any of this. We’re not, this isn’t something we’re paying for.

Parde said we would drive that level of expense. Rodgers said what do you mean? Wylie said what are you, I’m not sure what you’re asking. Pardee said I expect if somebody fabricates that and paints it, that it’s gonna cost the organization $100 per ribbon. Jones said we don’t, that’s all their business. Jones said that’s their, yeah.

Wylie said I do have a question though. Will the, I’m also concerned if they’re moving around, will they scratch the lamppost? Osmialowski said they shouldn’t. I can show you the backing of it, but they have like this, they have this hook – Wylie said OK – (continuing), Osmialowski said on it, and that’s where they would, that it would be going. But I don’t think this would touch because of how far back these go. And we can double ensure. We can also put felt, yeah, on the back of these to just ensure that there’s no scratching, right?

Rodgers said and these are for June and July? Osmialowski said yeah, for – (interrupting Osmialowski), Rodgers said and then what happens in August? Is that when the corn stalks, and nothing in August? Osmialowski said nothing in August. And then September, like mid-September, is when the corn stalks would go up through probably mid to late October. And then we take those down because then the city does the holiday decorations. Wylie said OK.

Wylie said anything else from council or the public?

Guillen said I just wanted to ask. Wylie recognized Guillen for a comment.

Guillen said the mayor had mentioned maybe putting up for Memorial Day. Is that possible since the sponsors already paid? What would be the difference because their name is still gonna be on it either way. Could those be up before then? Osmialowski said potentially. So – Pardee said two weeks from today. Osmialowski said we are, we have food truck rallies this week. And then next week we could definitely try. It’s just a matter of staffing if we’re able to get everybody out there in time to put them up.

(To Osmialowski), Wylie said hey, when you have a sponsor, do they, are they sponsoring, are they either the whole season or just – Osmialowski said there is an option for that. Wylie said there’s an option, OK. Osmialowski said yeah, yeah. Wylie said OK, because you don’t want to deprive somebody as a sponsor one spring. Osmialowski said exactly. Wylie said and they don’t want to lose a week or two. Osmialowski said right. Wylie said OK.

(To Guillen), Wylie said would you do a roll call, please?

Jones, Quisenberry, Rodgers, Wylie, and Avery voted yes.

Forte and Casey voted no.

Wylie said and the motion is adopted. And thank you. Thank you very much for the chamber.

Item #11b – Resolution: MDOT [Michigan Department of Transportation] Category B Grant Agreement for E. Church Paving (video time mark 0:41:31):

• • Resolution – MDOT Category B Grant Agreement for E. Church Repaving (page 25/48 of the council packet)

• • Contract, Category “B” Funded Project (page 26/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said Item #10b is Resolution, MDOT [Michigan Department of Transportation] Category B Grant Agreement for East Church paving.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

Wylie said and open it up first to discussion or, well actually let’s do a motion first from council. Anybody make a resolution?

Resolution by Avery; second Quisenberry.

Wylie said now, is there any comments or questions from council members?

Avery said I do. I read the proposed contract over and it doesn’t square with what we’re approving here. My understanding of reading the contract says that the city is responsible for planning and engineering costs and that the grant cannot be used for those costs. Right? I mean, it says it right here. Smith said so, the total cost of the project, that is 50% of the cost. So, their $117[,000] can go 100% towards road construction and our $117[,000], some of it will go towards road and some of it will go towards engineering. So, I understand your point. They want all of their money to go towards the actual construction of the road.

Avery said right. And they get, where did I see it? They’ll pay the lesser of the amount, the lesser of the $117,000 or the amount spent on construction. That’s how I understood it. So, if, I mean, if your thought was that we were gonna be able to move the engineering costs onto our side and put some of the construction costs on their side, I don’t think that’s gonna apply. Based on this contract, that’s how I read it, but maybe I’m wrong. Smith said the $235,000 approximately total covers construction and planning engineering, that’s the total. Avery said right. Smith said so, I mean, I can review this with F&V [Fleiss and Vandenbrink, contract engineering firm]  and because they do these all the time. Avery said yeah, and with Gerry [Fisher, city attorney], because like I said, as I understand it, say it’s $235[,000] all together, but $35[,000] of that is engineering and planning. Well, then the cost of the project is $200[,000] for the construction, so they’re only gonna give us $100[,000]. So, then we’ll be on the hook for $135[,000] or whatever that number is. Smith said I understand the point. I’ll find out from F & V and – (interrupting Smith), Avery said well, I just wanna make sure that we understand that. I’m all for getting the money, don’t get me wrong, but just so that there’s no surprises.

(To Smith), Wylie said when do you need this by? Smith said just as soon as possible. Wylie said OK, so there’s time still to get it double-checked. (To Avery), Wylie said thanks for all the background. We wanted to approve that we’re wanna get the right contract. (Unintelligible crosstalk.) Forte said yeah, but like with the understanding that like it would be cleared up and – (interrupting Forte), Avery said well, all I’m saying is, I mean, the contract’s a contract. I read it over. I don’t have a problem with the contract, but the resolution says that MDOT and the city would equally fund the $117,700 towards the planning, engineering, and construction, and that’s not accurate. MDOT’s only gonna pay 50% up to $117,000 for the construction of East Church, and I just wanna confirm that so that when we’re passing the resolution.

Quisenberry said I think that it’s a very good point you brought up just to clarify that because there’s a possibility we may have to pay more than $117[,000], but even if we did have to, I think that we’re still pretty much unanimous that we want the money. Avery said right. Quisenberry said so, is there any way we can modify the resolution to say that, even approve it, so that we can get moving on it, but with the stip that Smith will clarify with the attorneys, the responsibility for the engineering fees? Wylie said we can change the resolution. Avery said yeah. Wylie said that we can do. Avery said yeah, I mean, I’ll offer an amended resolution that says that we approve the contract related to the matching grant, understanding that that particular, the planning, engineering, I don’t know how we can put that in there, that that may be our responsibility, it may not, but if we just take that language out and just say that we approve the accepting the grant subject to the terms of the contract that was presented, because we’re giving Smith and Wylie the authority to sign it on our behalf.

Wylie said so, you’re saying amend the, not amend the contract, amend the resolution to accept the grant so that the resolution matches the grant? Avery said yeah, it had been awarded, I guess what I’m saying is the language in the second whereas says, meaning both MDOT and the city would equally fund the $117,700 towards the planning, engineering, and construction, but actually that’s not accurate because the cost is $235,000. So, we would both be funding the $235[,000], not $117[,000], correct? Smith said yeah, that’s what you’re saying. Wylie said so, matching grant of $100[,000], so we could leave that first $117,700 in there, meaning both MDOT and the city would equally fund. Avery said yeah, that’s right, that would make sense that our application had been approved for a matching grant in the amount of $117,700, which is accurate. I would take out the part that says, meaning both MDOT and the city would equally fund $117[,000], oh, OK, I see what you said there, all right. Wylie said so just cut that last, after what? Avery said yeah, I don’t know how specific the language needs to be for the state. Smith said yeah, just tell me that you accept the agreement, the signed agreement. Avery said yeah, I give you the authority to sign it, yeah, so I would.

(To Pardee), Wylie said hang on.

Smith said in the second paragraph, we can strike everything after – Wylie said that first $117,700, I’m looking, keep looking at Guillen to make sure, because she’s got to get the writing correct.

Wylie recognized Jones for a comment.

Jones said well, no, I was just going to ask a question, like, I mean, is this something that we could, like, table to write it properly, or are we just going to rewrite it here? I just want to, I’m just asking, like, what, like. Wylie said it’s only the resolution, we’re not going to change the contract. Jones said yeah, no, I know it’s not the contract, I was just asking just for clarity’s sake.

Avery said so, I guess, yeah, I would propose the resolution be amended to be in the second paragraph, whereas on October 23, 2025, MDOT notified the city that our application had been approved for a matching grant in the amount of $117,700, and. Wylie said period. Avery said and. Wylie said and. Avery said semi-colon, and, whereas prior to proceeding, MDOT has requested that the agreement be approved, and then the last paragraph was perfectly fine. Wylie said OK.

(To Casey), Wylie said you good with that? Casey said yeah, I am.

(To Smith), Wylie said does that sound good to you? Smith said yes.

Wylie recognized Pardee for a comment.

Pardee said yes. So, I listened several times to the video of the meeting last May, in which. (Interrupting Pardee), Wylie said you know, right now, we’re only, all we were doing right now was – (continuing), Pardee said Nathan V. [? Fleiss and Vandenbrink] said $45,000 for engineering, that was his answer to Avery, that was his answer to Tom [Ryan, former city attorney]. They were trying to figure out, OK, what’s the total cost that’s gonna come out of our pocket? And I think the total cost is $117,000, or maybe it’s $125,000, and $45,000 for F & V engineering. Wylie said OK, thank you. Right now, we’re only talking about this resolution, to accept the grant. (Pardee threw up his hands.) Wylie said I know.

Wylie said anybody else?

No comments.

Wylie said so, it says, whereas, so the second paragraph is, whereas on October 23rd, 2025, MDOT notified the city that our application had been approved for a matching grant in the amount of $117,700, and, and it continues on the way it was originally written. Avery said correct.

(To Quisenberry), Wylie said and so, Avery says he wants to amend this contract to what was just read. Will you second that change? Quisenberry said I’m quite pleased with it. Wylie said OK.

Wylie said anybody else on council have questions or comments?

No comments.

Wylie said in the public?

No comments.

Pardee said and I would ask for Smith to get a clarification from F & V of what these various elements are. I think there’s engineering that’s missing. I’m sorry. Wylie said it’s OK, he’s, I’ve asked him to participate. Avery said yeah, that’s fine. I guess what I would say is that we’re not accepting any contract today. Wylie said right. Avery said right, so if it comes back and it’s way out of whack with what we anticipate it to be, we always have the ability to not approve it. Pardee said we’re also having a 2026-27 budget discussion right now. Avery said oh, I understand. Wylie said OK.

(To Guillen), Wylie said could you do a roll call, please? Guillen said yes.

Wylie, Rodgers, Quisenberry, Avery, Casey, Forte, and Jones voted yes.

Wylie said and thank you, the resolution is adopted. (To Avery), Forte said thank you for reading that in depth. Wylie said yes, yes, thank you very much for that.

Item #11c – Resolution: Carlisle-Wortman Associates 3-year Agreement Renewal (video time mark 0:52:19):

• • Resolution – Carlisle-Wortman Planning Services Agreement Renewal (page 39/48 of the council packet) 

• • Agreement for Consulting Services (page 40/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said we are on Item #10c, which is a Resolution, Carlisle/Wortman Associates Three-Year Agreement Renewal.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

Wylie said so, first thing we’ll do is somebody on council will make the resolution and somebody support.

Resolution by Forte; second Rodgers.

Wylie said now, anybody on council, questions or comments? Discussion?

Avery said only question I have this isn’t subject to the bidding process that’s required in the charter. Smith said it still may be something that we want to do as going forward is have possibly more than one planner, but this is just to basically renew the CWA [Carlisle/Wortman Associates]. I’m not looking to change that. Wylie said I know that discussion about having multiple planners was briefly discussed. Would that interfere with this agreement? Smtih said no. Avery said there’s no exclusivity, is there? Smith said no. Wylie said OK. Smith said yeah, no, I wouldn’t accept that.

Wylie said anybody else?

No comments.

Wylie said anybody in the public questions or comments?

Wylie recognized Catallo for a comment.

Catallo said I think that it’d be imperative to have a bidding process to understand what other planners could bring to the table and not to just go with what we have done. I’m sure that if we’ve gone over the time that they can wait even two more weeks or just, I think it’s imperative to make an effort, personally too, because I believe they’re the planners on record for the township. And I think that it would be wise to have a planner that might have our best interests at heart a little more clearly and not be conflicted about which community it might represent. I just, it’s something that, I mean, I don’t think that they’ve done such a standout job that we should rush into anything. It’s, three years is a long time. Like, if you want to sign something for three months while you check to see if there are other planners that can potentially be in the running, I just think it’s time to do that and not just go with sort of the easy solution. That’s my two cents. Wylie said thank you.

(To Forte), Wylie said go ahead. You’re on the planning commission. Any questions, any comments you want to make?

Forte said yeah, I’m all for that if Smith’s open to it, getting two more quotes from, I know you have a forum that you can talk to other cities if they recommend any others for our scale of city. Smith said we can do that. It’s going to slow things down. So, we’ve got a couple of projects in the works right now with Carlisle/Wortman. And basically, Ben [Benjamin Carlisle] is saying he wants to sign. Forte said which are? Smith said before. Forte said the e-bikes and the – Smith said the master plan. It’ll put all that on hold. Forte said that’s OK, that master plan isn’t ready to be reviewed and the e-bikes can wait two more weeks. Wylie said well, you’re not going to get a bidding process done in less than two weeks. Snith said it’ll probably be a month. I’ve just, for the record, I’ve reached out to McKenna. Forte said OK. Smith said the other large planner in our area on three times, three occasions, I’ve gone, I’ve met them in person at a conference and I’ve talked to them on the phone twice and each time I’ve asked for some kind of indication of what their rates are. Forte said and? Smith said it’s always, yeah, we’ll get back to you. Forte said OK. Smith said and so I’m not, to be honest, I’m not impressed with McKenna. Forte said OK, that’s good to know. Smtih said they have a good reputation. I’m not saying anything negative about them, but they have not been responsive on this matter. Forte said OK, that’s good to know. Wylie said so (interrupting Wylie), Smith said I mean, I can push back and say I need a quote, basically the same schedule that Carlisle included at the last page, which shows their hourly rate. Forte said yeah. Smith said that’s gonna be the apples-to-apples comparison. I can get, I’m sure McKenna will provide that to us.

Forte said do you know if any of the neighboring towns, like if they use anyone different, like? Smith said McKenna and CWA [Carlisle/Wortman Associates] are the two big ones, I’m pretty sure. Forte said OK.

(To Smith), Rodgers said you know, I don’t think that’s a bad idea, just, oh, I’m sorry. Wylie said, no, I think Casey was waiting.

(To Casey), Wylie said did you say you had something to say?

Casey said is this a three-year proposed deal? Avery said two-year, looks like to me. ‘26 to ‘28. Wylie said to ‘28. Casey said ‘26 to ‘28. Wylie said yeah, two years. Sorry, OK. Go ahead. Casey said if we don’t approve this, there are several things in the pipeline that might get delayed, as I understand. What if we made it a one-year deal? Give us some time to get extra bids and do another one.

Wylie said let’s get Rodgers in there.

Rodgers said yeah, I kind of feel like just to satisfy that we’ve done our due diligence, that that’s either a year, you know, sign it for a year, but in the process, or just delay it for a month. It doesn’t sound like there’s any major projects. I mean, that’s just my opinion, though.

Avery said yeah, and I could be wrong. I haven’t read the charter in a while, but I thought the charter requirement was that we had to seek three bids, and we’ve waived that in the past when you’ve gone out and tried to get three bids and you couldn’t get them, or the amount was low enough, or we entered into some sort of a long-term agreement like we did with Hutchinson [Electric], and it’s gonna come up here on our next one with the asphalt people, is that, I mean, we’re required, pursuant to the charter, to do these things, and it’s not a maybe we should, maybe we shouldn’t deal. It is, we are supposed to. Now, if it’s impractical, you can come back to us and say, yeah, I’ve tried, I’ve sent out these notices to these people, and this is what we’ve gotten, well, then we can move forward on that, but we haven’t really formally sought bids, so I feel like that’s – (interrupting Avery), Smith said well, I would disagree with that. I have sought bids, but I don’t have them to present here today, but I will renew my efforts to get the bids, so we can absolutely table this and then come back to this– (Jones let out a large sigh) – (continuing), Smith said and the next meeting is a budget public hearing, so I doubt we can be ready for that, but the following one will be great.

Avery said yeah, and the only thing I would say is just make a paper trail, send letters. You can include them in our pack and say, hey, I’ve tried, this is what we’ve got it in writing, because you know there are people looking over our shoulder, and if we’re not following the charter, we hear about it, so I’d rather follow it. (Smith made an unintelligible comment.)

Wylie said and could somebody refresh my memory? If we leave Carlisle/Wortman, do we lose documents? Smith said no. Wylie said we get everything, everything’s ours? Avery said we get our stuff. (Forte made an unintelligible comment.) Wylie said OK. Smith said everything – (interrupting Smith), Wylie said everything we’ve done is ours, our property. Avery said yeah, we paid for it. Wylie said OK.

Forte said another company that I think is a little bit further away, but does this kind of work is OHM [Advisors], but they might just be further away, geographically. Smith said I’ve talked with OHM, too. Forte said OK. I think they’re out towards Ann Arbor, though. Smith Group is another big one. Smith said OK. Wylie said it seems like they’re all by Ann Arbor. Forte said they are. It’s a great place to live. Wylie said (unintelligible) a Spartan. Forte said yeah, unfortunately.

Wylie said anybody else on council?

Wylie recognized Quisenberry for a comment.

Quisenberry said so if, because this contract starts April 1 of 2026, if we don’t get this signed to them, then will they stop working on the projects that we have pending? Forte said yeah, but it’s not a big deal. I mean, we could do the due diligence that they’re doing. We can look up the other e-bike legislation. Quisenberry said I’m thinking more of the master plan thing – (Forte made an unintelligible comment) – (continuing), Quisenberry said because that seems very critical and us – (interrupting Quisenberry), Avery said well, she just said that she’s working on it, and it’s not ready for review by – (interrupting Avery), Forte said we’re doing chapter by chapter. So, like they’re gonna review it at the end when we’re done. Quisenberry said OK, mm-hmm. Forte said and then, yeah, we’ll need a planner to floss it, for sure. Quisenberry said mm-hmm. Wylie said OK. Avery said and that very well could be Carlisle/Wortman. I’m just saying we need to – (interrupting Avery), Wylie said no, you’re right – (continuing), Avery said follow the rules.

Wylie said OK, so we’re tabling it. Do we need, since we’ve already had people make, let’s somebody make a motion to table it.

Motion to table by Forte; second Avery.

Wylie said discussion from council members?

No discussion.

Wylie said oh, I can’t remember. Let’s just do a roll call on tabling it. Guillen said sure.

Avery, Casey, Forte, Jones, Quisenberry, Rodgers, and Wylie voted yes.

Wylie said thank you. So, we’re tabled, probably not till the next meeting. It’s probably gonna be till first meeting in June. OK.

Item #11d – Resolution: Parking Lot Sealcoating & Restriping Quote (video time mark 1:02:01):

• • Resolution – Parking Lot Sealcoating and Restriping (page 46/48 of the council packet) 

• • DNS Seal Coating & Striping (page 47/48 of the council packet)

Wylie said next item on the agenda is Item #10d Resolution, Parking Lot Seal Coating and Restriping Quote.

(Wylie read the resolution.)

Wylie said and I will need somebody to resolve and then a second.

Resolution by Rodgers; second Quisenberry.

Wylie said questions or comments or discussion from council members?

Avery said I mean, I think it’s the same thing that we just talked about with Carlisle/Wortman. I understand that they’re most likely going to be the low bid, but again, I think we have to follow the rules and get competitive bids. And we haven’t. Smith said well, this one I think is different because three years in a row, three two-year periods in a row, I did get multiple quotes and each time it came out to be DNS. Avery said and I understand it. And I understand that they will most likely be the lowest bid. But again, I don’t think it says in the charter that we get to bypass the requirement because they happen to be the low bid the last three times. Right? Smith said there is a provision that you can select a contractor. We’ve done that with electrical contractors, and we did that with our tree contractor just because each time, in the case of electrical, it’s slightly different story. In electrical, you want consistency as the same contractor doing it. In the case of, so that’s Hutchinson Electric. In the case of tree trimming, we picked Otto Tree Service because they have quoted multiple times and you go out and you contact these other tree companies and say, hey, I want you to give me a quote. And you say, well, I’ve quoted you the last twice, last two times and you didn’t use me. I’m not even gonna quote you anymore. So, it just, it does, this is a challenge. I know it’s in our charter and we have to follow that. I’m not suggesting otherwise, but I’m just saying it does have its challenges (unintelligible). Avery said and if it would have been in front of us and it was already done where you said, hey, I reached out to these other places that are just not interested in bidding, then it makes it easier. In my opinion, that we’ve done the best we can to follow the charter and we’re, it doesn’t make any sense not, or, you know, to not hire these guys. But again, I guess it’s form over substance.

Quisenberry I agree with Avery very much. So, especially taking into consideration last December, we were taken to task for not following the charter when we canceled the meeting. And I don’t think it’s, despite the fact that it makes all the sense in the world to go with this, the charter says what it says and we’re bound to adhere to it.

Smith said all right, so let’s table this one too.

Wylie said I need a motion to table.

Motion by Forte; second Rodgers.

Motion to table passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said we are tabling it. Hopefully till, I don’t know if you can get, hopefully by the next meeting.

Agenda Item #[11] 12, Adjourn Meeting (video time mark 1:07:15):

And we are on item, it’s only five after 11, or five after eight. Item #11, adjourn meeting. I need a motion to adjourn the meeting.

Quisenberry said I have a question for you. Wylie said sure. Quisenberry said I think we all got this email this morning from this fellow about this governor, or the house government meeting. Wylie said yeah. Quisenberry said committee and their voting. And as I recall in the past, we, did we pass a resolution against this and send it to Mr. Harris and our Senator? Smith said yes and yes. Quisenberry said we did, OK.

Smith said I sent that. Now this is a new initiative because they’ve added some more house bills. And I’ve given a handout to you so you can see all the house bills. They’re getting a little crazier in some of their ideas. Quisenberry said even, they address parking, actually. Smith said so, it’s being asked that we contact our legislators again. And we emphasize that we are opposed to, it’s really not so much about the individual bills that are being suggested, but more about the preemptive, the big change to go to a preemptive strategy or a preemptive structure, where they would, at the state level, they would approve zoning and we would have no say over it. Quisenberry said OK. Smith said that you could have a square footage as little as 15,000 square foot lot and as little as 500 square foot home. That mobile homes would be allowed. You cannot dispute that. They would be allowed. So, these are some pretty dramatic changes that we need to be aware of. They’re coming if we don’t oppose them.

Quisenberry said well, I did send a letter this morning to Representative Harris. And we try to support this. Smith said both MML [Michigan Municipal League] and SEMCOG [Southeast Michigan Council of Governments] are really strongly opposed to this and encouraging people to contact their legislators. I, if you’re OK with that, I will do that again. Wylie said I am. Smith said right. And if any of you that are interested, I’ll meet you in the morning. Wylie said OK.

Wylie said anybody else have anything else on that?

No comments.

Wylie said OK. I still, I do need a motion to adjourn the meeting.

Smith said one last thing. Wylie said yes. Smith said Easton. Wylie said oh, yeah. Smith said Easton Brown brought in – (interrupting Smith), Wylie said oh, is that what that? You know what, from this view, I couldn’t tell what that was. Oh, OK. Jones said yeah, hold that up for the camera. It’s faint. Wylie said oh, that’s really, that looks really nice. Jones said amazing. Smith said yeah. Wylie said that’s great. Jones said yeah. Wylie said for those of you who don’t know, it’s a flybrary and he has some flies there. He’s a, he likes to fish. He’s a local resident and student and he made this so people hopefully will – (Jones interrupted Wylie with an unintelligible comment – (continuing), Wylie said trade flies. Jones said yeah. Wylie said he gave a wonderful presentation in a couple of meetings, I think last meeting. Jones said yeah, and he built it himself. Wylie said yes. Smith said he built it himself and all the flies, the cabinet is commercially made so it’ll stay waterproof, but all the flies that are in there tonight are ones that he made himself. Wylie said that’s wonderful. (To an unidentified woman), Wylie said is your son a fisherman? The unidentified woman said yes. Wylie said OK. Because I saw you guys smile, I thought, oh. The unidentified woman said yeah, he swims on our lakes. Wylie said OK, great.

Wylie said OK, I still need a motion to adjourn the meeting.

Motion by Quisenberry; second Rodgers.

[No discussion opportunity was provided.]

Motion to adjourn passed by unanimous voice vote.

Wylie said we are adjourned at 8:11. Game probably hasn’t started yet. I was trying to get everybody out in time to go home and see the Pistons game. We say 8:00, but it really starts at 8:15.

Resources:

• • Link to video recording here
  • 05-11-2026 city council packet